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	<title>Comments on: A Postgraduate Interdisciplinary Conference on Doctor Who and all its Spin-offs</title>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The character of the Emperor Dalek dates from &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_of_the_Daleks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1988&lt;/a&gt;, when Copleston would have been 81. I suppose it&#039;s possible, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The character of the Emperor Dalek dates from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_of_the_Daleks" rel="nofollow">1988</a>, when Copleston would have been 81. I suppose it&#8217;s possible, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McGrattan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt McGrattan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cian,

Yeah, I get that. 

I&#039;m just saying that the environmental relativity of functional fit qua Dalek doesn&#039;t provide any evidence for that model. Although I suppose you can then tack on some stuff about the human environment being largely a social construction ... etc etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cian,</p>
<p>Yeah, I get that. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just saying that the environmental relativity of functional fit qua Dalek doesn&#8217;t provide any evidence for that model. Although I suppose you can then tack on some stuff about the human environment being largely a social construction &#8230; etc etc</p>
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		<title>By: Cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dsquared, these guys might actually publish that article: http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/titles/09687599.asp

Matt - I think dsquared is referencing (consciously or not) the social model of disability, a sociological model created by disability activists. 

&quot;in fact, thinking about it, thereâ€™s another paper to be written about the ambiguity of the word â€œDalekâ€. &quot;

Dalek as dualist creature, or unified embodied cognition. Discuss. I really should go and work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dsquared, these guys might actually publish that article: <a href="http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/titles/09687599.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/titles/09687599.asp</a></p>
<p>Matt &#8211; I think dsquared is referencing (consciously or not) the social model of disability, a sociological model created by disability activists. </p>
<p>&#8220;in fact, thinking about it, thereâ€™s another paper to be written about the ambiguity of the word â€œDalekâ€. &#8221;</p>
<p>Dalek as dualist creature, or unified embodied cognition. Discuss. I really should go and work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Anyone who can cobnfirm or deny this?&lt;/I&gt;

I haven&#039;t heard this before. But people called Thatcher lots of things... She Who Must Be Obeyed. The Great She-Elephant. The Iron Lady. Daggers. &quot;The eyes of Caligula, the lips of Marilyn Monroe&quot; said FranÃ§ois Mitterrand, to which someone on the Guardian Diary ungallantly added &quot;the gait of an anglepoise lamp&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Anyone who can cobnfirm or deny this?</i></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t heard this before. But people called Thatcher lots of things&#8230; She Who Must Be Obeyed. The Great She-Elephant. The Iron Lady. Daggers. &#8220;The eyes of Caligula, the lips of Marilyn Monroe&#8221; said FranÃ§ois Mitterrand, to which someone on the Guardian Diary ungallantly added &#8220;the gait of an anglepoise lamp&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Online registration for the conference seems to be discriminatory toward Daleks: I donâ€™t see how they can type with a ray gun and a sink plunger.&lt;/I&gt;

The recent dalek episodes demonstrated that they have no problem communicating with South Wales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Online registration for the conference seems to be discriminatory toward Daleks: I donâ€™t see how they can type with a ray gun and a sink plunger.</i></p>
<p>The recent dalek episodes demonstrated that they have no problem communicating with South Wales.</p>
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		<title>By: Backword Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backword Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if you go back to the original story (in 1963) where the Daleks live in a city in the middle of a petrified forest which is populated by humanoids, the Kaleds certainly are disabled; they&#039;re the way they are physically because of a nuclear war which itself was the result of the Kaleds&#039; militarism.

Otherwise, Matt is of course right. There&#039;s a site which purports to explain 2001: http://www.kubrick2001.com/ which comes to similar ideas about humans being unfitted for space. In a vacuum, a Kaled-Dalek is a lot less disabled than a human or non-mutated Kaled would be.

Online registration for the conference seems to be discriminatory toward Daleks: I don&#039;t see how they can type with a ray gun and a sink plunger.

Chris is right about what constitutes a &#039;Dalek&#039; or a &#039;Tardis&#039; one can buy. Borders here in Cardiff (possibly like Borders elsewhere, but I can&#039;t be certain about that) sells a lot of Dr Who related tat, and it&#039;s all only the outside stuff. So, the Trades Descriptions Act seems to with Chris and against D2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if you go back to the original story (in 1963) where the Daleks live in a city in the middle of a petrified forest which is populated by humanoids, the Kaleds certainly are disabled; they&#8217;re the way they are physically because of a nuclear war which itself was the result of the Kaleds&#8217; militarism.</p>
<p>Otherwise, Matt is of course right. There&#8217;s a site which purports to explain 2001: <a href="http://www.kubrick2001.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kubrick2001.com/</a> which comes to similar ideas about humans being unfitted for space. In a vacuum, a Kaled-Dalek is a lot less disabled than a human or non-mutated Kaled would be.</p>
<p>Online registration for the conference seems to be discriminatory toward Daleks: I don&#8217;t see how they can type with a ray gun and a sink plunger.</p>
<p>Chris is right about what constitutes a &#8216;Dalek&#8217; or a &#8216;Tardis&#8217; one can buy. Borders here in Cardiff (possibly like Borders elsewhere, but I can&#8217;t be certain about that) sells a lot of Dr Who related tat, and it&#8217;s all only the outside stuff. So, the Trades Descriptions Act seems to with Chris and against D2.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Harder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Harder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been told that J.F.C Copleston,S.J, the eminent historian of philoosphy and sometime debate partner of Bertrand Russell and A.J.Ayer , liked to refer to Lady Thatcher as &quot;the Empress Dalek&quot;.Anyone who can cobnfirm or deny this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been told that J.F.C Copleston,S.J, the eminent historian of philoosphy and sometime debate partner of Bertrand Russell and A.J.Ayer , liked to refer to Lady Thatcher as &#8220;the Empress Dalek&#8221;.Anyone who can cobnfirm or deny this?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McGrattan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt McGrattan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to be stupidly swapping Kedal and Kaled about.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt McGrattan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt McGrattan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, does the answer change if we recall that a) the living entity is a Kedal, which is an atrophied greenish hairy blob, more or less completely helpless when removed from its dustbin-shaped prosthesis and b) the original physical plan of the Kedal was a humanoid shape not unlike what Davros would look like if he had functioning legs? In fact, would you say that Davros was disabled? &lt;/i&gt;

Interestingly, modern humans can&#039;t survive in most of the environments in which we humans now live without clothing. So, in some respects, the actual situation humans shares some similarities with the Kedal. Straw-dawkins might say that the Dalek is part of the extended phenotype of the Kaled.

Depending on which objectivist/naturalist line you take Dalek/Kedal could be disabled or not disabled.

If you take the statistical line, individual Kedal are not disabled [assuming they are statistically typical of the Kedal type]. However, if one Kaled was statistically atypical in ways that meant he couldn&#039;t drive his Dalek then he&#039;d be a disabled Kaled.

If you take the evolutionary history line, there are several options:

i) you could say that the question about whether a Dalek (Kedal) is disabled or not is a non-question. Kedal don&#039;t have the sort of aetiology that lets you make attributions of biological functional norms in the usual way.

or

ii) Kaled are disabled. Kaled don&#039;t function in the ways that their evolutionary history selected for.

or 

iii) Kaled aren&#039;t disabled. They function in the ways their evolutionary history selected for [and that evolutionary history included interventions by Davros].

Depends on how you view artificial selection. I&#039;m not sure if artificial selection is discussed much in the literature on biological functions/malfunctions. It might be and I&#039;m just ignorant of it.

There&#039;s  is a whole literature on the relationship between theories of artefactual functioning and theories of biological functioning. Some people arguing that the two can be subsumed under the same analysis and some arguing they cannot. 

The Dalek/Kaled case is difficult because they look like a hybrid biological/artefactual case.

[

None of this is my view, btw. I take a (sort of) welfarist approach to disease and disability. I&#039;m not 100% sure how I&#039;d handle the Kaled case on my model. I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;d say they weren&#039;t disabled but there are bits of the case that trouble me.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, does the answer change if we recall that a) the living entity is a Kedal, which is an atrophied greenish hairy blob, more or less completely helpless when removed from its dustbin-shaped prosthesis and b) the original physical plan of the Kedal was a humanoid shape not unlike what Davros would look like if he had functioning legs? In fact, would you say that Davros was disabled? </p>
<p>Interestingly, modern humans can&#8217;t survive in most of the environments in which we humans now live without clothing. So, in some respects, the actual situation humans shares some similarities with the Kedal. Straw-dawkins might say that the Dalek is part of the extended phenotype of the Kaled.</p>
<p>Depending on which objectivist/naturalist line you take Dalek/Kedal could be disabled or not disabled.</p>
<p>If you take the statistical line, individual Kedal are not disabled [assuming they are statistically typical of the Kedal type]. However, if one Kaled was statistically atypical in ways that meant he couldn&#8217;t drive his Dalek then he&#8217;d be a disabled Kaled.</p>
<p>If you take the evolutionary history line, there are several options:</p>
<p>i) you could say that the question about whether a Dalek (Kedal) is disabled or not is a non-question. Kedal don&#8217;t have the sort of aetiology that lets you make attributions of biological functional norms in the usual way.</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>ii) Kaled are disabled. Kaled don&#8217;t function in the ways that their evolutionary history selected for.</p>
<p>or </p>
<p>iii) Kaled aren&#8217;t disabled. They function in the ways their evolutionary history selected for [and that evolutionary history included interventions by Davros].</p>
<p>Depends on how you view artificial selection. I&#8217;m not sure if artificial selection is discussed much in the literature on biological functions/malfunctions. It might be and I&#8217;m just ignorant of it.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s  is a whole literature on the relationship between theories of artefactual functioning and theories of biological functioning. Some people arguing that the two can be subsumed under the same analysis and some arguing they cannot. </p>
<p>The Dalek/Kaled case is difficult because they look like a hybrid biological/artefactual case.</p>
<p>[</p>
<p>None of this is my view, btw. I take a (sort of) welfarist approach to disease and disability. I'm not 100% sure how I'd handle the Kaled case on my model. I'm pretty sure I'd say they weren't disabled but there are bits of the case that trouble me.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I am, in fact, unlikely to go to such an auction, let alone to come away with both a Dalek and the TARDIS, much as I like Doctor Who.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I am, in fact, unlikely to go to such an auction, let alone to come away with both a Dalek and the TARDIS, much as I like Doctor Who.)</p>
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