Comments on: Hari / Cohen Cage Match http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/ Chris Brooke's Weblog Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:56:45 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Chris Brooke http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/comment-page-1/#comment-105448 Chris Brooke Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:37:02 +0000 http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/#comment-105448 My goodness, Hunter N, yours is a vile blog. My goodness, Hunter N, yours is a vile blog.

]]> By: Hunter N http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/comment-page-1/#comment-105355 Hunter N Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:23:29 +0000 http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/#comment-105355 Not wanting to boast, it is true that I predicted this outcome in December, 2006. http://falsegrievance.blogspot.com/ Not wanting to boast, it is true that I predicted this outcome in December, 2006.

http://falsegrievance.blogspot.com/

]]> By: DavidP http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/comment-page-1/#comment-105212 DavidP Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:51:28 +0000 http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/#comment-105212 <blockquote>Chris Brooke says: ... I never thought there was a serious plagiarism issue (I never used the P-word myself) ...</blockquote> I accept that: you said it was a "great coincidence"; "plagiarism" was my own shorthand. I was not particularly keen to track it down. I was looking for Hari's empty sloganeering on global poverty, the World Bank etc., when I came across the coincidence / plagiarism thing. It was just something I noted at the time. Should I have expressed my doubts at time? Of course, but I suppose that's just human nature - to stay quiet about weaknesses of someone who is on your side in an important issue. The same with the aggressive secularism, which he seemed to pick up wholesale from C Hitchens.

Chris Brooke says: … I never thought there was a serious plagiarism issue (I never used the P-word myself) …

I accept that: you said it was a “great coincidence”; “plagiarism” was my own shorthand. I was not particularly keen to track it down. I was looking for Hari’s empty sloganeering on global poverty, the World Bank etc., when I came across the coincidence / plagiarism thing. It was just something I noted at the time. Should I have expressed my doubts at time? Of course, but I suppose that’s just human nature – to stay quiet about weaknesses of someone who is on your side in an important issue. The same with the aggressive secularism, which he seemed to pick up wholesale from C Hitchens.

]]> By: Chris Brooke http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/comment-page-1/#comment-104602 Chris Brooke Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:22:45 +0000 http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/#comment-104602 Oh, and the Butterflies & Wheels website. He used that, too. Oh, and the Butterflies & Wheels website. He used that, too.

]]> By: richard http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/comment-page-1/#comment-104597 richard Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:44:22 +0000 http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/#comment-104597 <i>And we might add to this that Hari is pretty crap at writing about complex contemporary theory — see the piece on Empire, or his piece on Zizek, and, lo and behold, so is Nick Cohen: see chapter four of What’s Left?)</i> That's because Cohen has never read any theory; it's blindingly obvious that his sole source of material for ch4 of his book is Wheen's 'mumbo jumbo' book... And we might add to this that Hari is pretty crap at writing about complex contemporary theory — see the piece on Empire, or his piece on Zizek, and, lo and behold, so is Nick Cohen: see chapter four of What’s Left?)

That’s because Cohen has never read any theory; it’s blindingly obvious that his sole source of material for ch4 of his book is Wheen’s ‘mumbo jumbo’ book…

]]> By: Chris Brooke http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/comment-page-1/#comment-104543 Chris Brooke Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:23:51 +0000 http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/#comment-104543 And, further trivial thought, and then I'll stop talking to myself: those people who think that Hari has committed a grave offence in "misrepresenting" the contents of Nick Cohen's book are going to <I>hate</I> Paul Berman's <I>Terror and Liberalism</I>, if they ever get round to reading it. My goodness they won't like it one little bit. And, further trivial thought, and then I’ll stop talking to myself: those people who think that Hari has committed a grave offence in “misrepresenting” the contents of Nick Cohen’s book are going to hate Paul Berman’s Terror and Liberalism, if they ever get round to reading it. My goodness they won’t like it one little bit.

]]> By: Chris Brooke http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/comment-page-1/#comment-104541 Chris Brooke Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:16:57 +0000 http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/#comment-104541 Oh, and since people seem still to be commenting here, can we cut out the more mindless abuse of fellow Stoa-readers, please? Oh, and since people seem still to be commenting here, can we cut out the more mindless abuse of fellow Stoa-readers, please?

]]> By: Chris Brooke http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/comment-page-1/#comment-104530 Chris Brooke Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:56:40 +0000 http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/#comment-104530 On the <em>Empire</em> thing, please note that I never thought there was a serious plagiarism issue (I never used the P-word myself), just that when Hari said that he'd picked a sentence "at random" this struck me as most likely to be false, and when I spotted that, it entertained me, so I wrote the post. I really don't think it's very important, and certainly not worth dredging up three years later. It'd be quite nice, incidentally, if those who are so keen to track down falsehoods in Johann Hari's journalism were to devote the same attention to the critical examination of the recent writings of Nick Cohen. (The same is true, even more incidentally, concerning any number of the other charges thrown at Hari in the Drink-Soaked Trots recent two-minute hate: concerning the zeal of the convert, presenting one-sided versions of history to fit his current political stance, misrepresenting other people's views, and so on.) (And we might add to this that Hari is pretty crap at writing about complex contemporary theory -- see the piece on <em>Empire</em>, or his piece on Zizek, and, lo and behold, so is Nick Cohen: see chapter four of <em>What's Left?</em>) On the Empire thing, please note that I never thought there was a serious plagiarism issue (I never used the P-word myself), just that when Hari said that he’d picked a sentence “at random” this struck me as most likely to be false, and when I spotted that, it entertained me, so I wrote the post. I really don’t think it’s very important, and certainly not worth dredging up three years later.

It’d be quite nice, incidentally, if those who are so keen to track down falsehoods in Johann Hari’s journalism were to devote the same attention to the critical examination of the recent writings of Nick Cohen.

(The same is true, even more incidentally, concerning any number of the other charges thrown at Hari in the Drink-Soaked Trots recent two-minute hate: concerning the zeal of the convert, presenting one-sided versions of history to fit his current political stance, misrepresenting other people’s views, and so on.)

(And we might add to this that Hari is pretty crap at writing about complex contemporary theory — see the piece on Empire, or his piece on Zizek, and, lo and behold, so is Nick Cohen: see chapter four of What’s Left?)

]]> By: DavidP http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/comment-page-1/#comment-104516 DavidP Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:21:27 +0000 http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/#comment-104516 I came across something in my notes that you had written three years ago: Hari was found to have engaged in plagiarism (or nicking other people's words) <a href="http://users.ox.ac.uk/%7Emagd1368/weblog/2004_08_01_archive.html#109283934476855490" rel="nofollow">by Chris Brookes</a>  ( 18.8.04 ... "Great Coincidences of Our Time: In The New Republic, dated 1 October 2001... <a href="http://davidp1.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-left-whats-new.html" rel="nofollow">http://davidp1.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-left-whats-new.html</a> I was about to update this. On <a href="http://drinksoakedtrotsforwar.blogspot.com/2007/07/johann-haris-disastrous-article.html" rel="nofollow">a post on dstpf</a>, Eric summed it up neatly. <blockquote>Johann preferred a short war to an endless tyranny, he didn't sign up for a long war against people trying to impose a new tyranny. </blockquote> I don't know if there is a word for this - choosing between two options that didn't actually exist (that is, one of them didn't). Any ideas? I came across something in my notes that you had written three years ago: Hari was found to have engaged in plagiarism (or nicking other people’s words)
by Chris Brookes  ( 18.8.04 … “Great Coincidences of Our Time: In The New Republic, dated 1 October 2001…

http://davidp1.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-left-whats-new.html

I was about to update this. On a post on dstpf, Eric summed it up neatly.

Johann preferred a short war to an endless tyranny, he didn’t sign up for a long war against people trying to impose a new tyranny.

I don’t know if there is a word for this – choosing between two options that didn’t actually exist (that is, one of them didn’t).

Any ideas?

]]> By: dsquared http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/comment-page-1/#comment-104470 dsquared Fri, 03 Aug 2007 06:58:29 +0000 http://virtualstoa.net/2007/07/30/hari-cohen-cage-match/#comment-104470 What, like I was going to write brand new material for "Will" of "Drink Soaked Popinjays for War"? Get real. Who do you think you are, Anthony Cox? What, like I was going to write brand new material for “Will” of “Drink Soaked Popinjays for War”? Get real. Who do you think you are, Anthony Cox?

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