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		<title>By: Chris Brooke</title>
		<link>http://virtualstoa.net/2007/06/11/deputy-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-94925</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted 

1. Cruddas 2. Johnson 3. Benn 4. Hain 5. Harman 6. Blears

So fairly close to the scientific Berstram analysis. I&#039;m glad to hear Harriet Harman on the radio this morning denying that she&#039;d said various things about Iraq, or that what she might or might not have said about Iraq had any bearing on the contest, but rather insisting that people voted for her because of her ideas about caring for elderly relatives. I think this usefully sets the tone for the Harman Deputy Leadership.

And - yes - it is very good that Blair is on the way out. But it&#039;s also nice that some of the others who have really disgraced themselves in office (Goldsmith, Reid) are on the way out, too. Don&#039;t lose sight of the little pleasures just because you&#039;re gloating too much over the Fall of Blair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted </p>
<p>1. Cruddas 2. Johnson 3. Benn 4. Hain 5. Harman 6. Blears</p>
<p>So fairly close to the scientific Berstram analysis. I&#8217;m glad to hear Harriet Harman on the radio this morning denying that she&#8217;d said various things about Iraq, or that what she might or might not have said about Iraq had any bearing on the contest, but rather insisting that people voted for her because of her ideas about caring for elderly relatives. I think this usefully sets the tone for the Harman Deputy Leadership.</p>
<p>And &#8211; yes &#8211; it is very good that Blair is on the way out. But it&#8217;s also nice that some of the others who have really disgraced themselves in office (Goldsmith, Reid) are on the way out, too. Don&#8217;t lose sight of the little pleasures just because you&#8217;re gloating too much over the Fall of Blair.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal Berstram</title>
		<link>http://virtualstoa.net/2007/06/11/deputy-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-94762</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal Berstram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it was Harriet wot 1 it. 

As I will eventually get round to posting on my blog I voted:

1. Cruddas 2. Benn 3. Johnson 4. Harman 5. Hain 6. Blears

Cruddas seemed the most radical, fresh candidate by a country mile. I have met both Benn and Johnson and they seem like honest, good people, although Johnson was talking rubbish through most of the campaign. Harman felt like a very forced &#039;Cruddas-lite&#039; throughout the campaign - saying what she thought the party members and unions wanted to hear. It was the political equivalent of Eddie and the Hot Rods - pub rock trying to be new wave (sorry, that&#039;s rather an obscure reference). She might be a pleasant surprise in the job, but I&#039;m not that hopeful. 

Anyway, I&#039;m just pleased that Blair is the hell out of there. That will provide me with at least four and a half hours of satisfaction before reality reasserts itself... will someone please pass the mescaline?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it was Harriet wot 1 it. </p>
<p>As I will eventually get round to posting on my blog I voted:</p>
<p>1. Cruddas 2. Benn 3. Johnson 4. Harman 5. Hain 6. Blears</p>
<p>Cruddas seemed the most radical, fresh candidate by a country mile. I have met both Benn and Johnson and they seem like honest, good people, although Johnson was talking rubbish through most of the campaign. Harman felt like a very forced &#8216;Cruddas-lite&#8217; throughout the campaign &#8211; saying what she thought the party members and unions wanted to hear. It was the political equivalent of Eddie and the Hot Rods &#8211; pub rock trying to be new wave (sorry, that&#8217;s rather an obscure reference). She might be a pleasant surprise in the job, but I&#8217;m not that hopeful. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m just pleased that Blair is the hell out of there. That will provide me with at least four and a half hours of satisfaction before reality reasserts itself&#8230; will someone please pass the mescaline?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim F</title>
		<link>http://virtualstoa.net/2007/06/11/deputy-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-94631</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted for Benn in the end. I don&#039;t believe the Darfur negotiations can result in a just or sustainable peace before the NRA&#039;s hand is massively strengthened, (I also think any assessment that peace can be reached through negotiations at this stage ignores the extent to which the conflict is linked to the temporarily paused civil war with the SPLA) so whilst I do care more about peace in Sudan more than the largely irrelevant deputy leadership election, Benn&#039;s involvement in the negotiations wasn&#039;t a determining factor for me. 

I do think Benn is perceived by the media and the public (as far as he&#039;s known) as being honest and straightforward, and this is exactly what we need after the disaster of loans for peerages.

On Cruddas&#039; support for Strangers into Citizens - surely this is a bad thing? Harman&#039;s support for regularisation but not necessarily the SiC programme is much more encouraging. Cruddas seems completely wedded to the SiC plan - which includes so many exceptions and conditions that it would effectively be used by the government to flush out illegalised migrants ahead of mass deportations. The SiC campaign is also run in an incredibly top-down way without the involvement of asylum seekers and other migrants at a decision making level, and doesn&#039;t form the basis for a mass movement of migrants that could actually make the government do something they don&#039;t want to do.

For me Cruddas&#039; promotion of this campaign without really understanding the issues is quite revealing, and I&#039;m not sure I want to promote him by adding to his support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for Benn in the end. I don&#8217;t believe the Darfur negotiations can result in a just or sustainable peace before the NRA&#8217;s hand is massively strengthened, (I also think any assessment that peace can be reached through negotiations at this stage ignores the extent to which the conflict is linked to the temporarily paused civil war with the SPLA) so whilst I do care more about peace in Sudan more than the largely irrelevant deputy leadership election, Benn&#8217;s involvement in the negotiations wasn&#8217;t a determining factor for me. </p>
<p>I do think Benn is perceived by the media and the public (as far as he&#8217;s known) as being honest and straightforward, and this is exactly what we need after the disaster of loans for peerages.</p>
<p>On Cruddas&#8217; support for Strangers into Citizens &#8211; surely this is a bad thing? Harman&#8217;s support for regularisation but not necessarily the SiC programme is much more encouraging. Cruddas seems completely wedded to the SiC plan &#8211; which includes so many exceptions and conditions that it would effectively be used by the government to flush out illegalised migrants ahead of mass deportations. The SiC campaign is also run in an incredibly top-down way without the involvement of asylum seekers and other migrants at a decision making level, and doesn&#8217;t form the basis for a mass movement of migrants that could actually make the government do something they don&#8217;t want to do.</p>
<p>For me Cruddas&#8217; promotion of this campaign without really understanding the issues is quite revealing, and I&#8217;m not sure I want to promote him by adding to his support.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard in DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard in DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;m going to vote for Alan Johnson - the few interactions I&#039;ve had with him make me think he&#039;s a good thing. And he balances Brown, I think, in terms of being a human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;m going to vote for Alan Johnson &#8211; the few interactions I&#8217;ve had with him make me think he&#8217;s a good thing. And he balances Brown, I think, in terms of being a human being.</p>
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		<title>By: KJP</title>
		<link>http://virtualstoa.net/2007/06/11/deputy-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-91387</link>
		<dc:creator>KJP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what I believe is straight forward about Hilary is that he has presented himself, his political views and then asked the Party to decide whether to support him.

Many of the other candidates have postured or appealed to one or other section of opinion within the party through hints and briefings and so on in a way that, had the frontrunner engaged in it, could have turned the contest into a really unhealthy one for the Party. I think Harman and Hain are the worst culprits - but the rest are also engaged in it to some degree or other. 

Hilary is, in that sense a unity candidate - but more a unity candidate in that he would be a unifying influence rather than that he represents an appeal for unity. He just doesn&#039;t do off the record briefings about his colleagues and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what I believe is straight forward about Hilary is that he has presented himself, his political views and then asked the Party to decide whether to support him.</p>
<p>Many of the other candidates have postured or appealed to one or other section of opinion within the party through hints and briefings and so on in a way that, had the frontrunner engaged in it, could have turned the contest into a really unhealthy one for the Party. I think Harman and Hain are the worst culprits &#8211; but the rest are also engaged in it to some degree or other. </p>
<p>Hilary is, in that sense a unity candidate &#8211; but more a unity candidate in that he would be a unifying influence rather than that he represents an appeal for unity. He just doesn&#8217;t do off the record briefings about his colleagues and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: OG</title>
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		<dc:creator>OG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from reasons mentioned above, I htink there would be a strong symbolical value in choosinbg Cruddas, the only non-cabinet member. It would show that there is a chance that things might change and I reckon he&#039;d be more willing to stand up to Brown and tell him stuff he doesn&#039;t want to hear than any of the other brown-nosers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from reasons mentioned above, I htink there would be a strong symbolical value in choosinbg Cruddas, the only non-cabinet member. It would show that there is a chance that things might change and I reckon he&#8217;d be more willing to stand up to Brown and tell him stuff he doesn&#8217;t want to hear than any of the other brown-nosers.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brooke</title>
		<link>http://virtualstoa.net/2007/06/11/deputy-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-91299</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KJP (or anyone else): What&#039;s all this about Benn&#039;s &quot;straightforwardness&quot;? It&#039;s mentioned upthread, and Benn mentions it in his Fabian essay, but that essay didn&#039;t seem terribly straightforward to me (a couple of mentions of the &quot;culture of cynicism&quot;, which is, apparently, a bad thing, but it&#039;s far from straightforward to work out how or why or whether there&#039;s a good argument buried in there), and so I&#039;m trying to work out what it might mean. Sure, when he&#039;s asked in the survey Dan mentions above whether asylum seekers should be allowed to work, he just says &quot;No&quot;, and while that is a &quot;straightforward&quot; answer, there are other words that seem to characterise it just a little bit better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KJP (or anyone else): What&#8217;s all this about Benn&#8217;s &#8220;straightforwardness&#8221;? It&#8217;s mentioned upthread, and Benn mentions it in his Fabian essay, but that essay didn&#8217;t seem terribly straightforward to me (a couple of mentions of the &#8220;culture of cynicism&#8221;, which is, apparently, a bad thing, but it&#8217;s far from straightforward to work out how or why or whether there&#8217;s a good argument buried in there), and so I&#8217;m trying to work out what it might mean. Sure, when he&#8217;s asked in the survey Dan mentions above whether asylum seekers should be allowed to work, he just says &#8220;No&#8221;, and while that is a &#8220;straightforward&#8221; answer, there are other words that seem to characterise it just a little bit better.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember endorsing Hilary Benn on CT a while ago, but I think I&#039;m going to change my mind on that, on the basis that removing both Benn and Zoellick from the Darfur peace negoatiations would be quite dangerous, and that frankly I care about Darfur more than I do about the Labour Party.  HB deserves the job, but it&#039;s a job not worth having.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to remember endorsing Hilary Benn on CT a while ago, but I think I&#8217;m going to change my mind on that, on the basis that removing both Benn and Zoellick from the Darfur peace negoatiations would be quite dangerous, and that frankly I care about Darfur more than I do about the Labour Party.  HB deserves the job, but it&#8217;s a job not worth having.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://virtualstoa.net/2007/06/11/deputy-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-91087</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Liberal Democrat, I feel I should urge you to vote for Hazel Blears, just because she&#039;s perhaps the best argument against Blairism ever invented.

More seriously, if I was in a position to have a vote, I&#039;d probably go for Benn or Cruddas, partly because neither of them seem to think victory means they automatically become Deputy PM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Liberal Democrat, I feel I should urge you to vote for Hazel Blears, just because she&#8217;s perhaps the best argument against Blairism ever invented.</p>
<p>More seriously, if I was in a position to have a vote, I&#8217;d probably go for Benn or Cruddas, partly because neither of them seem to think victory means they automatically become Deputy PM.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brooke</title>
		<link>http://virtualstoa.net/2007/06/11/deputy-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-91020</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cruddas was very impressive (and not at all thuggish) when he came to talk at the Oxford Labour Party GC on the BNP, doing a double-act with Nick Lowles of &lt;em&gt;Searchlight&lt;/em&gt;.

And one can hope that were he to become Deputy Leader, one of his priorities would be to ensure that Margaret Hodge never said anything in public ever again ever about housing, immigration, etc.

(And, yes, no slanging match, please.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cruddas was very impressive (and not at all thuggish) when he came to talk at the Oxford Labour Party GC on the BNP, doing a double-act with Nick Lowles of <em>Searchlight</em>.</p>
<p>And one can hope that were he to become Deputy Leader, one of his priorities would be to ensure that Margaret Hodge never said anything in public ever again ever about housing, immigration, etc.</p>
<p>(And, yes, no slanging match, please.)</p>
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